PS: I have never had an ND with my EDC G23 chamber loaded these past 22 years. I have no problem with a 1911 locked and loaded, there has been one in my car since I bought it in 2010. Is A Glock Safe To Carry Chambered. A Glock is a reputable brand name of pistols, and the weight of the trigger pull can mean the difference in between a firearm firing and not shooting. https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en. You shoud not count on having both hands available while being attacked. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. The Glock handgun is the favored pistol of law enforcement agencies worldwide. Not the first time I have seen you feed the gun grabbers agenda either. 1. or not. And you should be, too. Glock is known for its proprietary barrel design which is said to provide a better seal between the bullet and barrel, allowing less propellant gas leakage and less bullet deformation. While carrying or holstering? Therefore, its unsafe(ish) to carry or store with one in the chamber. My opinion. Glocks dont have an external safety because they were designed as a simple to operate as possible. I still get the occasional email notification. In my experience, here in MS, a great many people have a great many home defense firearms of various descriptions. And unlike Mad, I DO make mistakes. That doesnt mean you can ever fool around with one. In practice? But now I get 18! And, sorry youre a confused fool. you are correct. PS: There was a 12 yo kid recently that subdued an attacker with a common socket wrench after Dad missed 39 times with a pistol. Its an unnatural, metallic noise that spooked him instantly, and I missed the snap shot at a running target, and he was gone. Now, what about those darn useless novelty CCH badges? Because if youre smart enough to be worried about a Glock short trigger and trigger safety, youre probably smart enough to know you need to train so that your trigger finger is never in the trigger until the sights are on target, and you take the time to inspect your holster for obstructions before holstering or unholstering. Smh. I'd recommend a Hard Kydex holster like a comp-tac infidel. As I mentioned elsewhere here, the trigger pull and safety mechanism are irrelevant to the *proximate* cause of any Glock discharge Im aware of. The 43 chambered for the 9x19 cartridge, along with its immediate predecessor the .380 caliber Model 42, were not the . I also felt the same way. People that just cant accept what someone else wants to do compared to what they feel is best for them smacks of their insecurity. Does the Glock fire then? Do it right; prepare the firearm for immediate use and take the neccessary precautions given that state of readiness. Whats the big deal? Because that argument is stupid in the first place, because the entire discussion is about *carrying* not about whether you should carry. A GLOCK is a striker fired pistol with about a 5.5-pound OEM trigger pull that has incorporated into the trigger--in the form of a lever--and when it is engaged blocks the trigger from moving rearward. Bear in mind that all Glock pistols are striker fired and are have no manual safeties. Thank you very much. All of that seemed a bit verbose for a blog comment, though. If my chamber is empty, I obviously increase the chances that my gun wont be useful when needed, but I also reduce the chance of a ND caused by a minor in my care. Glock is a brand of polymer-framed, short recoil-operated, locked-breech semi-automatic pistols designed and produced by Austrian manufacturer Glock Ges.m.b.H.. Dont you dare break the three rules of safe gun handling. I carry all my guns chambered. Barnum should have said, There is a Moron born every minute so I guess I will have to say it for him. MOLON LABE. If you need to defend yourself, you cannot afford the time to rack the slide. Colt change the SAA!? An empty chamber is worthless when you need it and fractions of a second count. My G19 pull is about 4-1/2# about the same as a lot of 1911 guns. says: How often do you train your driving abilities?. And I do not carry them ever. Does anyone ride the hammer down on their gun with a LIVE ROUND in the chamber? But thats good. Literally has nothing to do with firearm safety. One of the interesting things about that is I can (after clearing) dry fire repeatedly and get a rough visual about how much the aim point moves depending on my grip and finger position. Do not get me wrong here as training is vital, that said the real problem is you cant cure stupid, Murphy, or brain farts! It can also affect the speed at which the weapon fires. Both have pros and cons the secret is you must be well versed to bringing your gun up to the level of lethal quickly. When the fight starts, ejecting a live round onto the ground, or hearing the click of a empty chamber, will just mess up your day, maybe your last day. The Glock Gen 4 and Gen 5 models have actually become really popular with civilians and self-defense shooters alike. Im so glad to have seen the one person who never makes a mistake! Furthermore, every person I know or have talked to who does have a single-action revolver Rough Rider, Blackhawk or a replica has other guns that they use for those roles. Why would anyone want only one of something? I had the same concerns when I first started to carry my Glock. Ive carried in condition one for nearly 25 years. The Series 80 was a solution in search of a problem ie, it was created by lawyers. Unlikely. So far there have been 14 production experiences.Has a professional production and R & D team, and . They are built using the patented Safe Action System which prevents unintentional firing. Glocks have a feature that prevents the trigger from accidentally being pulled, blocks the firing pin until the trigger is fully pressed, and the pistol is not actually cocked until the trigger is puled. this aint 1902 with a Colt .38 Long primitive revolver and you probably aint riding a horse in pursuit of cattle thieves. Folks need to do what they are comfortable with though. Glocks have a blade in the trigger that is very light so that if the pistol is dropped, the inertia of the fall will not pull the trigger ( as the pistol is partially cocked). Just not for me. A loaded GLOCK, some of the comments went, is susceptible to the dreaded GLOCK ND (negligent discharge). As stated above, Glocks are safe. One in the chamber is NOT ALWAYS the best option. Dani: In the case of an inertial firing pin, nothing but a physical block on the firing pin itself will have the slightest effect. The internal Safe Action System will not allow the pistol to go off accidentally. The S&W EZ has a grip safety and a good trigger pull. And it will ALWAYS stay in its holster right? Length: 7.3. June 2016. Glocks are designed with internal safety features to prevent accidental discharge. I carry a LC9, no problem. A forum community dedicated to Glock Pistol owners and enthusiasts. the first two rules of safe gun handling are Dont touch the trigger until you are ready to shoot, and dont point it at anything you dont want to destroy. Obviously carrying concealed greatly reduces the odds of your gun being taken, but that doesnt mean that precautions arent in order. When it didnt open the first time, your brain clicked again to make sure, often without one even knowing they did so. Learn your own weapon and try not to drop it, the last thing you do might be a good catch. The fix was to add a safety. They have defense of the State, of their comrades, or of other citizens.. Seattle is like a miniature version from a driving perspective. If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire. My three-year-old knows that for her bb gun. They are: Glocks are completely drop-safe and are one of the safest pistols you can carry. Unfortunately, the safety is on the wrong side of the slide for me so I dont use it. However, that also creates issues. Considering the capabilities of the average glock owner, in front of the muzzle is likely the safest place to be. The odds are not in favor of the added time it takes to try and chamber a round, let alone the stress of a real situation. It was a girl participating in a shooting contest. First much like the Israelis Fairbairn and Sykes had to teach officers how to carry safely in a manner that got them street-ready quickly. Wonder why guns are the most logical option? Of course, I do concede you point, it just that it brought Monty Python to mind and I improvised from there. 3 your support hand may not be available. One or two chances to mess up with an empty chamber, but thousands (or hundreds of thousands) of chances to ventilate your own leg while taking a piss. The Glock 43 is VERY close in size to the Glock 42, but chambered for that 9mm cartridge some people demand - or at least don't frown on like they do the .380ACP. Every time I drive. Over at gunssavelives.net, Dan Cannon has unearthed the SAFE-DRAW system for GLOCK brand GLOCK pistols.SAFE-DRAW gives the Austrian-born pistol an initial 17 pound trigger pull. For those afraid of carrying cocked and locked or striker-fired guns, the XD-E is a better choice than chamber-empty carry. As for me on striker fired Im sure they are just as safe as any other design I just like to see whats going on, . Probably applies to a few other westerns as well though. And so easy to correct. Still chambered in 9mm, the G19 measures 7.28-inches in total length. Considering how many types of expanding ammo my plethora of 1911s did not work very well with I gave up on them long ago. Amen! If you are so scared of a striker fired trigger, then why not get a hammer fired gun? Please consider creating a . As long as you use some sort of holster that covers the trigger, and keep your finger out of the trigger area, leave the 19 in the holster, unless its needed, you wont have a problem. Almost always comes back to the trigger. Even though everyone who has ever used and examined a SA revolver can easily see that the firing pin is ALWAYS in contact with the primer when the hammer is down, if the chamber under it has a round in it?, And, again, absolutism that is far too easy to refute. Now getting older, I have trouble with body positions for competitions, so I dont enter very many club competitions anymore. The idea is that a gun with cartridges in it but not having one in the chamber is close to being loaded and is therefore better than a completely unloaded gun. I got two strikers, finally, couple years ago, a 9mm and a 40. . Ive always been a SA semi, or when Rugeting for fun, their SA revolvers, like Single 6 w/Wmr cyl. Hmm that give away means youre at least in your 60s bordering on senility. What kind of a moron thought THAT was a good idea? Nov 11, 2010 (Edited) Dingus said: To gain confidence, do this: Take your G19 and holster to the range. This has nothing to do with car=privilege firearm=right. Now, to rein in this trip into the weeds. As the saying goes, you do you. How often are you a klutz when driving a car? There are advertisements for trigger jobs on striker fired guns to make them with an even less pull weight!! uncommon_sense: I would hope that, by now, you know whether or not the handgun you actually OWN has a firing pin safety. Yes. There are tons of features that make it worth your consideration, starting with its trademark durability and flexibility. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. Like a handgun, the defensive long gun should be secured in a safe or one of the wall-mounted quick-access locks. this aint Dodge city and you aint Bill Hickok Blam, Blam,Blam! The end result is the same, but the means to that end are directly opposite in how they function. Each new design improved the handgun and its features. This site is a participant in the Amazon Services LLC Associates Program, an affiliate advertising program designed to provide a means for sites to earn advertising fees by advertising and linking to Amazon.com. Ron DeSantis Says He Supports Adding Open Carry to Floridas Permitless Carry Bill, Defendant Agrees Appeals Court Should Uphold Injunction Blocking New Yorks Law Banning Carrying Guns in Sensitive Places, Judge Robert L. Miller: Its an Insult to the Founders to Assume They Didnt Expect Gun Control in Future Generations, https://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/the-truth-about-6-5mm-ammo/, https://patents.google.com/patent/US5724759A/en, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p28yT3Z3oj8&t=7347s. Theres simply no point in carrying an unloaded gun. It was called Fractured Fairy Tales, The difference between you and me is I am real you live in a virtual reality world oh and btw dummy they dont call it Glock perfection for nothing, Your rants always remind me of that long ago cartoon show. So anybody can mess with anybody here at any time, by pretending to be somebody else. I have pocket carried for years, mostly using a clip such as a clip draw on my SIG 938, hammer down, safety on, round chambered. If youre going to do something like defend yourself with a firearm. Jun 4, 2009. Hm. Firearm experts, including myself, consider the design completely safe and dependable. Ok, maybe youre taking off your holster and you drop the whole dang thing on the floor. 30 years carrying, 20 in the military with 6 combat deployments. Anyone who believes otherwise is delusional. Im still a believer of an empty gun is just a club. . Let's dive into the depths of insanity when it comes to concealed carry myths. I submit never. The firearm entered Austrian military and police service by 1982 after becoming the top performer in reliability and safety tests.. Glock pistols have become the company's most profitable line of products, and have been supplied to . On paper? To each their own, and god speed, The first gunm I packed was a SA .22 with a half cock safety and I loaded all the holes, then I went DA but cocked it most of the time.so I got in a habit of cocking the hammers Then I went to auto pistols and just never did trust that hammer sticking up so I carry them with one in the chamber on half cock. On one of those occurances, my snubbie bbl. Because of its usefulness and reliability, many police and government agencies adopted this model as their service pistol. Picture if I was to just strike a primer laying on a hard surface, with a hand held hammer, manually. (AgCatJHS at English Wikipedia [Public domain], via Wikimedia Commons)Here we have a conundrum. Confused fool. Then you have the big, scary, single-action magnums by IWI (the BFR) Freedom Arms and custom guns from Jeff Linebaugh. The initial pull of this trigger performs generally the same function as the thumb safety of a 1911 or single action. I have had cops point shotgunms and Rvolvurs at me, made me nervous, now their pointing Glocks at me, and that frightens me to the point of shaking. Just the easier reloading of the old Ruger 3 screw models (or any other regular types like the Colt SAA) vs the new ones, makes up for that one extra round, at least IMO. So you have no quibble with the line; If dropped, the hammer could contact the primer and therefore, fire., in relation to SA revolvers? However, there still isnt a compelling reason to carry a gun or keeping one for home defense that isnt loaded which cant be gotten around with a bit of training, a bit of brains, or a bit of extra gear. Always, recent training with Instructor who suggested to always carry chambered. The Springfield Armory XD-E is a new hammer-fired compact pistol. I tease my friends when I can see their chamber indicator, I listened to guys who had been there.. Jul 18, 2010. Trigger Safety. Glocks are for professional that carry OWB at 3 o'clock where it is possible to see All the way around the holster While holstering the gun. This debate has been going on for years.. which side are you on? I submit extremely unlikely. The innovative design of the hybrid steel-polymer slide chambered in our first .22 caliber round provides a lightweight and low recoil functionality for optimal control. Good luck!!!!! Just the same as the guy thumbing the safety off, he will beat me. Answer (1 of 30): The main reason to carry, is self defense. When you purchase through links on our site, we may earn an affiliate commission, which supports our community. Since its a bookmark and not a save, it will go there and update to the latest info. My Glock 23 is fully loaded, and no problems at all, even with the 3.5 connector in it that lightens the trigger pull a bit. If all you do at the range is stand there at the bench, pick up your gun, lock the slide, insert the magazine, and press the slide stop to send the slide forward, then get on target to shoot, you're not training yourself right. There we go. Ammoland was intelligent enough to allow only one person to use a name at a time. Also, had a KelTec with a pocket clip, no holster, ever, and a Glock 40 with a clip draw, and you just need the brains to have nothing else in your carry pocket, and you wont have an issue. I really, really wish the powers that be could find someone to get this comment section to work right. As if every act of negligence is a deliberate act. Long story short, I let it be known that I thought carrying with an empty chamber is a mistake. to all you sanctimonious what iffers and self styled know it alls out there: its full screen with proper sound and everything. @ mark s: +1 here. Just bookmark the page you commented on, and then check back once in a while. Yep, if you havent actually ever been in a gunfight before you can shut the f#*k up about what or how I carry. Thats not a very fresh idea. (I don't think any of us are going to try to pocket carry a 1911 or a Glock 17.) I put into the chamber a primed case w/o powder or bullet. In a holster made for the gun you carry, making sure its unobstructed is a quick check. Sub-one second times, under stress are the norm when properly trained. JavaScript is disabled. I have four (4) SA revolvers. But no self-defense. Negligence or stupidity, flip the coin on word choice. Youll likely only be in one or two gunfights at most, in an entire lifetime. (Take that, NYPD!) Do u know what the 21 foot rule is? For that matter, I dont take seriously anyone who carries a revolver for self-defense. There are a lot of older pistols manufactured without a drop safety feature. And that is the key to any methodology, simply having the proper training. I dont understand why anyone who carries a modern firearm is afraid to carry a round in the chamber??? Its part of being human. When you carry, do you keep it chambered or do you keep it unchambered so you'd have to actually chamber your gun when you need to use it? Human brains arent too sure of themselves, and if an expected result does not occur, our brain responds by doing the action again, just to make sure it did it the first time. I never carried a gun before my G27. You can get a lockbox for $50 or less from Amazon or from most hardware stores. So, us non-glockentines keep a low pro on discussing polymers and plastics, but if I had to go to war tomorrow, you can it would be an all steel weapon. We can put a bullet thru the eye of a bunny sitting still but its hard to get a head shot when its running, us being the bunny. No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Empty chamber carry is dumb. Any striker fired pistol that doesnt incorporate some type of manual safety has the same chance of a ND as a Glock. Im still getting comfortable with carrying, and Ill take an unchambered gun over one at home in the safe any day. Just do what you are comfortable/confident with and what is best for your individual personal situation. They do have a half cock notch that you could use to carry on a loaded chamber, but theres a reason they say, Dont go off half-cocked. Or remembering faulty? I assume it had something to do with its mechanics. Carried chambered until the kids came. I do not carry a Glock and sorry 1911 fanatics I would only carry a 1911 with the hammer down (series 80) and chamber empty with a Series 70 and since I do not like to carry any gun with the chamber empty that is why I do not carry any longer my series 70 and pre-series 70 (original 1911) . Perfect for everyday carry, the compact Glock 43 is a popular concealed carry option chambered in 9mm. YouTube it. You rotate the cylinder halfway between the nipples and lower the hammer on the carry notch. Modern revolvers with some sort of disconnect can be carried full up. lol 15 in the clip one in the pipe. Sound off in the comments! The IDF has quit carrying with a round chambered. A safety is much easier to manipulate than a slide though. The anti-GLOCK crowd and they are nothing if not noisy also raised the objection that since a striker-fired pistol is so easy to discharge (a simple pull of a relatively light trigger) then its inherently dangerous to have those guns in a home with small children. If you have your Glock properly holstered it cant go off, Those are what ifs what if you slip in the shower get hit in the crosswalk get rundown by a terrorist in a f150 train be vigilant and stay away from the end that has 6 letters. Have you ever failed to yield the right of way when making a left turn? While I agree its better to have a round in the chamber, I dont, not at the moment. I wonder how it avoids the googlebots? The 1911 has a grip safety as well as a thumb safety. One other one was very tragic. This pistol gained [] But unlike the Shield Plus, the Equalizerlike the Shield EZis a single-action as opposed to striker-fired pistol. The first Glock safety that you will interact with is the trigger safety, which takes the form of a spring-loaded lever located in the center of the trigger. Perfect analogy. Boy, that must be realllll nice. . But the real benefit is in the noise. SOME of these guns (Ruger, Rough Rider, IWI, Freedom Arms, Linebaugh) have transfer bar safeties and thus can be carried fully loaded. We keep our mouths shut, myob, and avoid praising glocks. The New York Trigger as it became known had an 8-pound trigger pull. Glocks, Sig Sauer, Smith and Wesson, Barretta, and many other makes are safe to carry chambered, They have . But ready to goI still havent figured out a light for the AR(its EZ to hold small flashlight for a pistol). Mine, of course, is in the latter, and it's held up well to a lot of shooting. Just go to there web site, or go to your gun store for more information. i doubt that israelis whose primary weapon is a pistol actually use israeli carry. I use either a DiSantis OWB when its jacket/coat weather or an Alien Gear 3.5 IWB when it Polo or T shirt weather. And an unloaded weapon does you no good if/when you need it. A 16 year old In drivers ed may not be very experienced nor skilled, but at least in my day, was paying more attention than a driver more familiar with driving. Carrying this way isn't for everybody though. Well, its nice to know Im negligible. I carry a 5 shot .357 magnum revolver a good deal of the time. as for being out in public goes if somebody gets the drop on me with a knife or firearm at super close range i figure that im only going to be 50/50 on that anyway Heres a news flash, ever since Adam and Eve ate the serpents apple were all fallible. Capacity: 15 rounds. A true DAO trigger that has as much chance of going off in a pocket, or other ND, as a DA revolver does. If the trigger safety is not depressed, the trigger will not move rearwards and allow the pistol to fire. Not carrying a round in the chamber does indeed provide you a 100% chance of not having the gun go off in the holster. if(typeof ez_ad_units!='undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[336,280],'guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2','ezslot_5',119,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-guntradition_com-large-mobile-banner-2-0');The danger comes from dangerous gun handling and not following safe gun handling rules. Width: 1.18. I find myself walking around with my hips thrust foward, flinching away from the gun. Youll probably die trying to get your semi-auto back into battery after attempting a contact shot anyway.
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