After his first episode or two, I was done with Barclay and was frustrated when he came back, and especially when he showed up on Voyager. Given all the trouble the crew got into, Im sure they needed one on the ship. But dont those characteristics fit better on a younger character, while the older one grows up and changes? Come on she looks great. And Kirsten Beyer probably consults on that show too along with her duties on Picard and Discovery, so its possible at least. TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Some of us dont grasp the very basic foundation of what Star Trek is all about!? I dont think youre ready for that kind of interaction, online, or anywhere else. Try the Daily Mail for 5 minutes. It is not yet known what role, if any, Wisemans Tilly would have in the upcoming season, with possibilities ranging from guest or recurring character to becoming a series regular again. This week's episode raised concerns. That said, I know people can be cruel and I am even worried bringing up this topic for fear of the idiot fringe piling on, but I hope Mary Wiseman is okay or has a good reason for her weight gain since S1. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. For someone who is supposed to care about others, shes been remarkably stuck in her own emotions. The audience is growing due to our amazing loyalty, but I give them credit toobecause Discovery, we have all these new shows. Although it is true that on *average*, overweight people are less healthy than other people, it is also entirely possible to be overweight and healthy. Im reaally hoping season 4 will be smoother, Im holding thumbs here. This show has been for a niche of Trek fandom not the mainstream. In this week's episode of Star Trek: Discovery season four, we saw Tilly leaving her crew and heading to the academy in order to foster young minds. Or are you only a troll if you criticize something about Discovery? Heck I think it was more unrealistic when some chick was upset he wasn't ready for sex. I read somewhere that Gates McFadden and Marina Sirtis had somewhere in their contract a stipulation that they had to fit into their costumes. Im sure many may NOT be a Janeway but could at least look at her and say thats what I aspire to be. Its good to have ALL type of people/stories in our Star Trek Universe. Not liking a character doesnt make a person a troll, so Im not even sure what that nonsensical comment was supposed to mean. This is why Discovery is polarising and this is why people four seasons in still dislike Burnham and Tilly as characters. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. Ive never liked Tilly. And others opinions dont factor in. When Mary Wiseman's Lt. Sylvia Tilly left the USS Discovery for a job at the new Starfleet Academy in the fourth episode of season four, it was promised she would be back. I hope that Wiseman uses that info into the future because it does work for fat burning and muscle building.. She could of made it what we call General American/mid-Atlantic to neutralize it a little. Everybody loves ., meant literally, is never true. Actress Mary Wiseman did a series of media . Im mostly just curious if Tillys removal from Disco came from Wiseman looking to do other projects or if they wrote it in and broke the news that she was getting cut as a regular. Maybe sociological issues? Mary Wiseman. I understand the actress is very well-respected and a nice person, but I couldnt stand the Tilly character myself. Because Book is someone who doesnt just have cerebral, intellectual intelligence. David Ajala: What about Grudge in the mirror universe? Because she symbolizes the Trekkies, geeks, nerds. Its really just certain comments sections and Facebook garbage holes. And Books starshipthink of it as Star Treks answer to the Astro Megaship from Power Rangers in Space. Where did all the good writers go?? SuKal accidentally blowing up all warp ships thats another instance of Trek being intwined with my own life So you offend S3 of DSC, you also sully the memory of my mum and EVERY mother that ever died. 42 comments so far. Why does the therapist appear to outrank the CMO? Barclays ticks do get really annoying. If that happens, I'm betting she'll be a part of it. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. Lets stick with the science and not target individuals. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. For me, DS9 was the best Star Trek Show for character development. I KNOW, people say they are great, I was too focused on Star Trek when those were airing, but I might try and give the original show a shot one day. Her character of Cadet Tilly in Star Trek Discovery is warm and positive. They have solved some of these issues the easy way by talking themselves out of it (Klingon hair, holograms, Ariam being no android at all), now that we are in the future none of it really matters anymore. It inspired her to switch careers. The show had its official opening on Monday, March 21st, and is currently set to run through April 24. Mary Wiseman told Forbes, It was tricky, but it was a really, really fun and satisfying challenge.. This show has disrespected the actress with poor development and no real storyline except oh hey, im awkward guys. Editor's note, 23 Dec 2020: If you like Wiseman's interview here, then you should also check out interviewer Dawn Ennis's other work. I suspect that Prodigy may use some of the elements that Beyer expanded or created for Full Circle without actually developing any of the overall story arc. We use cookies to ensure that we give you the best experience on our website. The laughing, alone, is far more damaging and shameful and disgusting and disrespectful than obesity itself. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. Star Trek: Discoverystreams exclusively onParamount+in the U.S. I would expect more from the Star Trek crowd, which is usually quite enlightened. After Burnham (Sonequa Martin-Green) and Tilly (Mary Wiseman) journey to a planet alongside Burnham's mother Gabrielle (Sonja Sohn), things get a little hairy when the Qowat Milat nun they're . Shaming is one thing. By: Laurie Ulster The only thing she is qualified for at Starfleet Academy is as a 23rd century specialist. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. Just take a little trip down the hellhole that is a tabloids message boards and youll see the kind of body shaming of male and female actors and celebrities that exists out there. Have you ever read those? How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? I actually had an entire epic story mapped out that I was seriously considering turning into a series of novels. I see those things and they hurt me because Im a person. Mary Wiseman and David Ajala with their co-stars Wilson Cruz, Sonequa Martin-Green, Blu del Barrio, and Anthony Rapp at NYCC 2021, (Trailer also available for international viewers onInstagramandstartrek.com). Although there are speculations of Mary Wiseman's pregnancy, she is not. Then maybe I would actually remember his name! (Hey, Im likely one of the oldest people here, and its too easy/lazy to remain stuck in the 1960s and 70s! Jealous and insecure,they can only feel better by putting others down. So when Tilly became a teacher I was like, freaky coincidence but perfect!). Its one thing thats definitely been improved upon by the more recent stuff. I keep reading that no character like hers should not be in starfleet, yet she is. She's interviewed several Star Trek . TrekMovie.com is not endorsed, sponsored or affiliated with CBS Studios Inc., Paramount Pictures Corp. or the Star Trek franchise. Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. Plus, TNG literally had a therapist as part of the bridge crew. Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. Andrew: Great, perceptive, thoughtful post! I think the character would have been much better served if Tillys quirks were something that changed as the character grew over the seasons. I think Saru holds out as being the most consistent, and Tilly is close, but not quite. No one can argue that Shatner is anything less than fit at whatever age. They just didnt do much with him. Diplomacy? All are different. Not everyone is skinny and not everyone likes skinny. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. What do you mean? Thematic darkness is fine but graphic visuals arent. David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. As an actress and a person I dont mind her at all, shes lovely. Hopefully next season they will be given more development. I wonder what the advertisers behind this site think of posts like this. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. Speaking to Glamour UK, Sonequa Martin-Green revealed that she has dealt with body image issues too: Back in the mid-to-late eighties, early nineties, everything I saw, with hip hop, was all curvy, curvy, big butt, she recalls. And with Troi being a betazoid, thats why she was on the bridge. In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. Tilly, played by Mary Wiseman on Star Trek Discovery is not pregnant. Shes beyond perfect with her line delivery. That was always the theory I had for Barclay. Such use is more overt in DISCO, but it is by no means out of the ordinary. I know most dont share my opinon that after a terrible first half of S1, I have generally liked Discovery but making Tilly first officer was quite possibly the most ridiculous plot twist in the history of Trek. 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There are characters you really cherish and others that are fun but ultimately nothing special. Its not celebrating obesity to say that her body is her business and nobody elses. PS. They should all try for the standards of randos on the internet like you [laughs] Everybody loves Tilly. Shes a badly conceived written and conceived character theyve desperately tried to bolster. And yeah the Full Circle stories do sound a bit depressing especially since SPOILER ALERT they kill off Janeway in them! What accent? There are admittedly quite a few other Starfleet officers Scotty and Riker, for example who prove that being chunky is still a thing in the future. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. Right? Im glad we are finally seeing it. Just grow up and ignore the random internet comments you are elevating the drama of this internet troll thing by talking about it. And now, with only three years under her belt in the field, From future Starfleets POV, thats 900 years! Where are they!? That said, the stolid approach to characterization has its benefits as well when an emotional outburst happens it can be devastating (see: Picards breakdowns in the likes of Family, Chain of Command, First Contact), but it also allows for subtler moments to have outsized impacts (Odo asking Garak to breakfast, Seven revealing her favorite color, Picards 1/4 smiles when no one is looking, Spocks eyebrow etc), which is also quite true to life. She seems to be a lovely human being and all that in real life but her acting is not the best. She doesnt inspire confidence. They should have tried to make Tilly more credible first. Patrick Kwok-Choon is the only one of the bridge officers that doesnt have another regular acting or producer/director role. Book is Han Solo. It means something to me. Was that really a Betazoid characteristic or was she just reading faces and gestures? It always cracks me up when people say that they hate Tilly. Mary Wiseman: Right, when you use empathy for evil, its manipulation. Smart doesnt mean competent. BTW, I know this is waaaaaay off topic, but since you are the literary Trek lover on this site and keep up with a lot of the books, do you think Prodigy is going to use some of Kirsten Beyers Full Circle Voyager story lines? She is relatable and human and wonderful. Imo, this show tries so overly hard to be socially progressive, its the very thing that makes it a turn-off. Theyre losers, pure and simple. He was a cool character and one of the best things about season 3. And a. Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. Although they didnt really use secondary characters wellthey still dont. You always come up with weird posts VS this one is weirder than usual Im afraid to say. I agree, in fairness Barclay was relatable in many ways, socially awkward but not too overplayed. Nice girl but still jostling with Burnham as the most annoying character on the show. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Be sure to watch Mary Wiseman "Killying it" as Ensign Sylvia Tilly on Star Trek: Discovery. Tilly is the product of lazy writing and a lazy showrunner. I guess making Tilly first officer isnt anywhere close to ridiculous as making KT Kirk a Captain who was still a cadet and had probably spent 2 weeks in space before he got the jobbut its pretty damn close. My point is, a lot of the shamers are probably ashamed of themselves for being overweight and project it onto others. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? | March 22, 2022 | Im relieved to say I have no idea how that feels, and its something I cant even stomach thinking about, frankly. She wrote ten books based around this concept and still writing them. There are a lot of people in the comments hating, but in a franchise that includes Neelix, Wesley Crusher, Naomi Wildman, Kes, and Lwaxana Troi, Tilly is frankly nowhere near as annoying as those other characters. If you read what Mary and Sonequa are saying, they arent promoting any particular body style or fitness choice, just that they are as they are and only they have the right to choose how that should be. I thought her arc was going to end with her being booted from the service for repeatedly failing physical fitness tests? And I just let the writers take me on a journey. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? Where is this? My point was Why does the ships therapist have a bridge station? Do I want to be Sisko or Picard or Archer then most likely yes. The visual reboot premise was overstretched. Yes but Star Trek shouldnt be about lazy writing, poor character development and bad storytelling. In fact now I think of it, Book aside everyone has an American accent. And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. That is definitely not a true statement. Wiseman was appreciative of fans who had her back online: I just want to say that all the people who step in, to back me up like that, your presence is like little angels, like blocking out these little trolls. I also know hes basically your favorite Trek author. Many smoke to keep the weight off. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. Should the nice girl get off your lawn? I keep reading she shouldnt be in Starfleet because she is socially and emotionally immature. STAR TREK and its various marks are trademarks of CBS Studios Inc. 2023 CBS Studios Inc./Paramount Pictures Corp. 2006-2023 SciFanatic Network | Legal/Privacy Info, Copyright 2023 | MH Newsdesk by MH Themes, Podcast: All Access Dives Into The Latest Episode Of Picard And Probes Star Treks TV (And Movie) Future, BREAKING: Star Trek: Discovery To Conclude With Season 5, Review: Star Trek: Picard Runs Deep In Seventeen Seconds, Watch Picard And Riker Reverse Their Classic Roles In Star Trek: Picard Episode 303 Clip, J.J. Abrams Talks Compelling Story For Star Trek 4; Chris Pine Expresses Frustration Over Wait. Im proud to see that shes proud of herself. Me thinks that your issue is not that fans of nu trek are pandered to to feel better about themselves. I just hope now that she has been made captain, all her baggage will be finally gone. Right!? Tilly is justannoying. Other ships having counselors in the TNG era was mentioned. Saru would then recognize the potential in her, give her opportunities to build her self esteem and confidence, and wed get a good arc that doesnt seem forced like it does now. Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . And I felt that was ridiculous. DSC had many issues at the beginning. Biography The actors are not slaves to the fans or public opinion. Just when it looks like the character has finally grown as a person and doing her own thing, comes right back. Bad, character pandering types of writing, with over-emotional children in the roles of astronaut-scientist-soldiers. It is constantly exposing the never ending struggle of smart and talented woman of color. Events in David Macks two books towards the end of that series ( A Time to Kill and A Time to Heal) have a profound impact throughout the rest of the Litverse. I highly doubt the writers decided to just write her off for the hell of it (especially given how much everyone in the cast and crew love her). This is rare case were I actually agree with Lorma. Every character aboard that ship represents a minority. Yes I forgot David Mack is a consultant on this show too and is well aware of all the post-Nemesis stories in the novels. Hey writers room go back to TNG and see how a child became an honourary bridge officer on the Enterprise D. (something equally puzzling to say the least) Picard did it because the Traveller who could traverse space time and see the future and past told Picard it was extremely important to encourage the boy. No, from Starfleets POV its 3 years. I think others that make such claims are having their own feel feels hurt or nostalgia rattled. We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. Exactly. However, if we got to see Tilly gradually improve herself. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th.
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